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Re: Minnesota Lifetime License Discrimination?
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I assume his plan went hay wire and he got himself thrown in the clink. I suppose we should all start chipping in some for his bail money.

Posted on: 6/13 9:38:09
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Re: Minnesota Lifetime License Discrimination?
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Blue22 wrote:
Notfishfisherman now that makes sense! I'm glad you see this is a stupid law. By the way, I've already contacted my State Senator and my State Representative. They are at this time looking at this situation. The State Rep has even found a loophole for some fishing laws. This is how I think it will go........
1. I get a ticket
2. I go to court in Alma WI
3. Have a jury trial of my peers.
4. I get found not guilty.
5. I stop getting tickets.
6. The state of Wis. states that any Wis resident who fishes the Mississippi River must have a Wis license. (Exception: a Wis resident who has in their possession a MN lifetime fishing license may fish the Mississippi River from track to track.)

Thanks for your input!!!!!


I appreciate your willingness to fight the good fight but I don't think you've got a clear understanding of how this is likely going to go.

First you're not likely going to get a jury trial odds are your trail will amount to 5 minutes in front of a judge where you will be able to plead your case. However, that judge can only rule for or against you based on how the law is written. Unfortunately for you in this case the law is clear and the judge will rule against you 99.9% of the time. Even if you get lucky and hit the .1% chance and are found not guilty all that means is that you don't have to pay that ticket. The law remains the same and the next time you go fishing you are again bound to the same regulations as before and you may very well be ticketed again. The judge for your case does not have the power to change the written law, only to enforce it.

In the event you are able to request a jury trial you'll want to bring a lawyer to help represent you because you'll be facing a prosecutor on the other side versus simply talking to a judge. Before opting for a jury of your peers you may want to take note of the replies on this thread. The replies have all been made by like minded peers who all fish and who all get frustrated by some of the stupid regs we are held to. If we had been your jury you likely would have lost and we're probably the easiest jury you could get.

I'm certainly no legal expert so maybe someone else can chime in but I'm guessing that if you really want to change the law through the courts it means you're in for a long drawn out and very expensive fight through the appeal courts hoping to get the case to the states higher courts.

I think you're on the right track with your state representatives. I would try to keep in touch with them by calling/emailing periodically to check in on their progress. Just realize they are busy people with a lot of issues being juggled all at once so be patient and don't expect a quick fix to anything. No matter what route you go its going to take time to get a law changed.

Posted on: 6/5 9:49:32
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Re: Minnesota Lifetime License Discrimination?
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I will certainly agree its a dumb law and it leaves the few MN lifetime license holders living in WI that want to fish borders waters without buying a WI license in a no mans land of sorts. I'll say its probably unfair I just can't go as far as to say there is discrimination happening. Legally speaking you are being treated like every other WI resident and being held to the same regulations that they are as your MN lifetime license doesn't offer any special privileges in those border waters. You're not being treated the same as a TX resident because the situations are different since WI has a stake in the border waters where TX does not.

I'm sure lawmakers didn't see this as a huge issue as there can't be many people in your situation. I'm sure there are MN lifetime license holders living in WI, some will even fish the border water but I'm sure the vast majority are also going to buy a WI license so they can fish else where in WI and not simply rely on their out of state MN lifetime license for all their fishing opportunities.

If you want to change the law I would say your better bet is to start talking to your local representatives. Put the issue forward with them, you might have to be rather persistent with it and keep on it but I think you'll fair better than having to sue. When talking to your representatives all you'll need to do is prove how stupid the law is and hope they take the issue on for you. If you go the route of suing you'll have to plead your case in front of a judge where you have to prove legally how the law is discriminatory. I think its easy to see how the law is stupid but I doubt a judge finds it meets the legal definition for discrimination. The first option is all of course free just takes time, going to court will take a lot of time and money.

Posted on: 6/4 15:20:30
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Re: Minnesota Lifetime License Discrimination?
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I'd be shocked if you find a lawyer willing to take this case on a win/loss basis because your odds of losing in court are nearly 100%. If you do win you'll have a hard time proving any real damages.

If you want to take it to court with a lawyer you're probably going to have to pay him win or lose and even a win is going to cost you a pretty penny.

You're going to have to ask yourself is it really worth the time and money. You could solve everything by simply buying a WI license. As a WI resident I find it hard to believe you wouldnt have done that already anyways since there are a lot more lakes in WI worth exploring.

As far as the law itself I find it hard to believe its a money grab on part of either state. It only impacts the very small group of people that have a lifetime MN license, live in WI, and fish the border waters.

I also can't see how there is any sort of discrimination against you. You're being treated like every other WI resident requiring you to have a WI license to fish the border water. Sounds like you're hoping the MN lifetime license gives you special treatment and you're upset that it doesn't.

My advice, by the WI license and find something better to get upset about.

Posted on: 6/4 9:15:03
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Re: Coywolfs in Mn
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The fact of the matter is that there is so much confusion between wolf and coyote identification because most people simply don't know how to identify one versus the other. It doesn't help that most photos are grainy black and white trail cam photos taken at night with nothing in the photo to show scale.

Not sure how you can jump to the conclusion that MN is being overrun by coywolves so quickly. Given the lack of identification skills I've encountered among hunters I'm not sure how you'd expect anyone to correctly identify a coywolf when it seems so few can tell the difference between a very run of the mill coyote and a big gray wolf to start with.

Posted on: 5/18 13:46:01
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Re: Fish / game cleaning table
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I'd assume most are going to be standard counter height. The easier solution might be to get yourself a counter height stool to sit on.

Posted on: 5/10 14:08:57
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Re: Week after opener BWCA
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I heard that Snowbank should be ice free in the next couple days.

Posted on: 5/8 13:26:59
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Re: Week after opener BWCA
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Saw photos that Baker EP was open in the last day or so.

Bigger lakes in the area like Brule and Poplar are still pretty well locked in. One of the resorts on Poplar posted a photo a few days ago and they had walked out and drilled a hole in 16 inches of ice. The ice was pretty bad but still thick.

I think by the time frame you guys are looking at you'll have a lot of options. The biggest lakes will probably still have some ice but you'll probably be able to find suitable routes that will work.

Posted on: 5/4 15:06:50
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Re: Wolf River Cam 1
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Just saw some sort of sucker come by and almost give the cam a kiss.

Posted on: 5/3 13:43:44
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Re: Wolf River Cam 1
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Wow big difference from the last few days. Saw 2 nice walleye in the few minutes I watched yesterday but today they are moving through one right after another. I'm sure if the visibility wasn't so bad we'd be seeing even more.

Posted on: 5/3 9:57:38
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