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.223 help
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I have a 10 year old that will be in the deer stand with me this year. He has been shooting for 5 years starting with pellet gun up to .410 and now shooting 20 gauge. I'm thinking about getting a .223 for him this year and also good reason to own a ar15. I was wondering if anyone has used one for deer hunting. I know I can get a .243 for him but I want to get him a .270 on his 16th birthday so I really don't need a .243.

Posted on: 2016/10/26 12:57
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Re: .223 help
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Under 18, a minor cannot take possession of an Minnesota Statute designated "assault weapon" except certain exemptions.

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624.713 CERTAIN PERSONS NOT TO POSSESS FIREARMS.
Subdivision 1.Ineligible persons. The following persons shall not be entitled to possess ammunition or a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon or, except for clause (1), any other firearm:

(1) a person under the age of 18 years except that a person under 18 may possess ammunition designed for use in a firearm that the person may lawfully possess and may carry or possess a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon
(i) in the actual presence or under the direct supervision of the person's parent or guardian,
(ii) for the purpose of military drill under the auspices of a legally recognized military organization and under competent supervision,
(iii) for the purpose of instruction, competition, or target practice on a firing range approved by the chief of police or county sheriff in whose jurisdiction the range is located and under direct supervision; or
(iv) if the person has successfully completed a course designed to teach marksmanship and safety with a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon and approved by the commissioner of natural resources;


Unless they are under your direct supervision, they would be considered an ineligible person.

That said, I've used 223 to deer hunt (bolt gun), and now use AR15 pistols in 300Blackout. 223 out of a rifle is perfectly suitable for taking of deer, with a bullet designed for big game (Federal Trophy Bonded, Federal Fusion. etc.)

Posted on: 2016/10/26 13:44
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Re: .223 help
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He would be for the first 2 years in the stand with me.

Posted on: 2016/10/26 13:56
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Re: .223 help
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I would get 5.56 as they can shoot both 5.56 and .223 round.

Posted on: 2016/10/26 14:29
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Re: .223 help
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My dad shot his 10 pointer last year with his AR in .223, from the opposite side of that field in the pic. 2 shots in the neck, dropped dead.

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Posted on: 2016/10/26 14:47
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Re: .223 help
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Cool, maybe I'll have to put him through class. I still don't understand these politicians. Isn't a .223 a .223 no matter what dress you put on her?

Posted on: 2016/10/26 22:05
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Re: .223 help
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get one that has a tight twist like 1:8 that can spin a heavier bullet. My Tikka .223 shoots 62 grain fusions like a dream. can spin a 75 grain if needed.

I have shot 3 deer with it ranging from 75 to 250 yards. shot placement is key with a smaller bullet, but it will kill them dead.

Posted on: 2016/10/28 9:12
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Re: .223 help
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I am not in favor of using an AR type of gun for Deer Hunting. Would recomand using 243 or 270 bolt action gun. Old saying 1 shot one kill, using an AR style can take many shots Thats not hunting.
My young nephews don't like the thought of using anything but a Bolt Action Rifle.
I am Old Fashion, I used AR style to Kill People when in the Service.

Posted on: 2016/10/28 11:58
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Re: .223 help
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My son uses a .223 AR and has never needed more than 1 shot.

Whether an AR or bolt, a .223 is a .223 and the weapon used is generally irrelevant. The ability to make the shot is what counts. Would I take a 300-500 yd. shot with a .223? No. But I likely wouldn't take that shot with my .30-06 either, as you are more likely than not to wound the animal and not kill it. In MN, most shots range from 50-150 yds.

Posted on: 2016/10/28 12:55
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Re: .223 help
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Quote:

ROC wrote:
I am not in favor of using an AR type of gun for Deer Hunting. Would recomand using 243 or 270 bolt action gun. Old saying 1 shot one kill, using an AR style can take many shots Thats not hunting.
My young nephews don't like the thought of using anything but a Bolt Action Rifle.
I am Old Fashion, I used AR style to Kill People when in the Service.


The M16A1 that saw service in Vietnam, and the current iterations are far different performance wise. The M16A1 was a 1:12 twist that was barely suitable for the 55g FMJ it was firing. Additionally, that combination with a hand guard that directly rode on the barrel and 20" barrel was never designed for better than 2moa of accuracy. Technically, the gun and ammo combo was expected to hold around 4moa.

The standard in the AR15 is a 1:9-1:7 twist. A 1:9 should stabilize bullets up to around 60-65g (each barrel and ammo combo is a bit unique). Stepping into the much more common 1:8-1:7 twist barrels, you should have no issue firing the 60-75g bullets designed for medium game.

Today, the AR15, with a properly constructed bullet, and a free floating barrel should be able to achieve 1moa or better accuracy all day, every day. Much like soldiers returning from WW1/2 taking up sporterized Mausers, Krags, and Springfields, and before them Indian wars soldiers coming home and hunting with lever guns, the AR15 has become a staple in the fields and forests of the US.

I'm a bolt action junkie myself, and have harvested around 10 deer with a 223 bolt gun. That said, discounting the capability of the AR platform is short sighted, as it's a tremendously capable platform. That's without opening the door to caliber a like 6x45, 6.5Grendel, 6.8spc, 762x39, 450 Bushmaster, 458 SOCOM, and 50 Beowulf in the AR15. Much less the capability of 243, 260, 6.5 Creedmoor, 7mm08, 308 and other variants in the AR10 platform.

Posted on: 2016/10/28 13:22
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