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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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Like I said,,,66 moose,big deal. I gotta go...



I suppose only a few gill nets in your favorite lake is no big deal either.......



Try not to be to upset Oldstar,but,now that you brought it up,found out they did flip a few nets in My favored water. At first thought it was demoralizing,thinking this is terrible,then after thinking about it. What is the difference between racing the nets or the hoards of fishermen and technology,either way when word gets out on a hot bite,there gone ;till you find your next fishing "hole". Nets or not.

Posted on: 9/8 19:55:28
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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Too bad "we"don't confront what initially "happened"to the natives originally in this country.No wonder they don't "care"about a moose or a walleye!Or at least try to get "us"upset about the whole fiasco!!!!Just think if someone came up to you and said,you can't stay here anymore you WILL live here now.Oh yea by the way you WILL teach your children this now.(English and customs)because your ways are savage.If you don't comply we will make an example of you and your family by killing you!These are just a snippet of what went on!!!!c63
BINGO C63!
That argument of treaties being so long ago there outdated,So is a document written in 1776 outdated and need rewritten?? besides rewrite all the US treaties with other countries

Heres a couple great reads.Why isnt our real history written and taught in schools?? Possiily we would find we did geniside like edie Amine,Stallin, Pot Poi, and Hitler along with many others!

Read>>http://www.worldfuturefund.org/Reports/Genocide/genocide.html

Read>>http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/29954-the-native-american-genocide-and-the-teaching-of-us-history

Dont blame natives blame your ancestors for treaties. even the broken ones of which Most fall in that category

Posted on: 9/8 20:13:45
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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Not trying to be to political or racist but lets all think, the world never changes, the way people think never changes, and we never have to adapt to new ways of the world. So lets all live in the past and never evolve or change. Are we all still cave men draging our wonen around or not using the wheel? It is all the same world in which we all live in, and it changes and advances each day and we either adapt or fight it. The hardest thing any individual will ever do is introduce change. So lets all stay on the path we know and never change and see where that gets us. The outlok is bleak for all of us no mater the race or beliefs unless we embrace advancement and change!!!! Has our lives as the privelaged white man ever changed? Something to ponder for all of us!!! If we never embraced change then would we all still be living in caves and hunting the wooly mamoth or as the climate changed and our prey changed would we adapt? Another point to ponder. No matter the race or heritage we must all adapt to change or perish, nothing is the same forever no mater whom we are and this is the basis of all the arguments, yet no one seems to see the light or are wiling to accept the facts of the real world. All most see is I want my way and it is my right to ask for it. Get real guys!!!!

Posted on: 9/8 23:16:05
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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Funny how Whitey is supposed to change his ways to "change with the time" but the Indians can keep living their lives as they see fit and under their own rules while living off the backs of Whitey through the BIA or their monopoly of casinos or with most tribes, both. White guilt is ruining this country and it isn't helping anyone.

As for being told you "can't live here anymore", it happens all the time with eminent domain and none of them get to sign a treaty. Talk to the people in the Rondo neighborhood who were kicked out to build 94 or the multitudes of people affected by building of dams. Talk to people who are forced to move out of their homes due to land/utility imporvement assessments they can't afford.

Posted on: 9/9 7:37:18
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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dew2 wrote:
BINGO C63!
That argument of treaties being so long ago there outdated,So is a document written in 1776 outdated and need rewritten?? besides rewrite all the US treaties with other countries

Heres a couple great reads.Why isnt our real history written and taught in schools?? Possiily we would find we did geniside like edie Amine,Stallin, Pot Poi, and Hitler along with many others!

Read>>http://www.worldfuturefund.org/Reports/Genocide/genocide.html

Read>>http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/29954-the-native-american-genocide-and-the-teaching-of-us-history

Dont blame natives blame your ancestors for treaties. even the broken ones of which Most fall in that category


Sounds like maybe you missed history class in school?

Maybe just maybe you have heard of the 27 amendments to the constitution?

Posted on: 9/9 8:09:31
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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As for being told you "can't live here anymore", it happens all the time with eminent domain and none of them get to sign a treaty. Talk to the people in the Rondo neighborhood who were kicked out to build 94 or the multitudes of people affected by building of dams. Talk to people who are forced to move out of their homes due to land/utility imporvement assessments they can't afford.


OH. MY. GOD. This post should be archived and framed. Did you just compare taking all the lands and rights away and the murdering of Indians,to the forcing of selling your home ( probably at a great price) to build a dam or hwy?

OMG. I've heard it all. That about sums up the intelligence on your side of the argument. Lol. We are arguing with people that have preschool intelligence.

Posted on: 9/9 9:12:19
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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chris63 wrote:
Too bad "we"don't confront what initially "happened"to the natives originally in this country.No wonder they don't "care"about a moose or a walleye!Or at least try to get "us"upset about the whole fiasco!!!!Just think if someone came up to you and said,you can't stay here anymore you WILL live here now.Oh yea by the way you WILL teach your children this now.(English and customs)because your ways are savage.If you don't comply we will make an example of you and your family by killing you!These are just a snippet of what went on!!!!c63


Ridiculous comment at Best!

Hey Chris63, when was the last time you were told where to live and what language you had to speak. Why dont you move forward like 150-200 years and join the USA. Come on in the waters fine!

Posted on: 9/9 9:23:43
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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Let the hunt begin,,,arguably some people or parties will be afield for various reasons "because they can" so be it. It is law.
Undeniably to myself,some individual participants who partake,in these modern times will experience something most probably never will again in the state of Minnesota. This modern day hunters "mind set" culturally or as individuals will be one of significance to none other than his or her own personal experience.
It was for me and still remains today. Thanks for sharing...

Posted on: 9/9 10:08:32
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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chris63 wrote:
Too bad "we"don't confront what initially "happened"to the natives originally in this country.No wonder they don't "care"about a moose or a walleye!Or at least try to get "us"upset about the whole fiasco!!!!Just think if someone came up to you and said,you can't stay here anymore you WILL live here now.Oh yea by the way you WILL teach your children this now.(English and customs)because your ways are savage.If you don't comply we will make an example of you and your family by killing you!These are just a snippet of what went on!!!!c63


Ridiculous comment at Best!

Hey Chris63, when was the last time you were told where to live and what language you had to speak. Why dont you move forward like 150-200 years and join the USA. Come on in the waters fine!
I'm just pointing out SOME obvious reasons for why the cultures can't seem to see eye to eye on ANY of these issues.Do you really think that trying to understand or at least acknowledge the past histories of America is rediculous then God help us all!c63

Posted on: 9/9 19:11:27
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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Chris, you have always given some great posts on here, but this is not about the past. Even these native American's have changed just like everyone else. Would you hunt deer or moose or grouse if they were in danger of loosing their population? Why did the DNR change area zone's of deer hunting area's to help out moose numbers if they did not think the moose population is not in danger? It is not about African American's, or German Americans, or Native Americans's or anyone else. It's about the moose population we should all be worry'd about. 60 moose or 100 moose. The fact is that here in Minnesota the moose are not doing good. History of native Americans and us good or bad does not solve this issue. It is about the moose, not about the white guy or the native Americans. good luck.

Posted on: 9/9 19:30:07
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