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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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Again, i'm not disagreeing with any points for or against moose hunting.............just trying to get down to the reasons/solutions to working TOGETHER on these and many other natural resource issues that face us ALL!Once moose or any resource for that matter is extinct..............gone for EVERYONE for whatever reason you enjoy or hate it!Acknowledgment and understanding of ones past is the beginning or start to a new era.Is it even possible to not make the same mistakes if were unaware of our past ones?????Everything going forward has some connection to what is already established.It's always about the past!c63

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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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Unfortunately it cannot ever be just about the moose (or the walleye, whatever.) What has happened in the past has caused this to become a fight over sovereignity. Its the same reason why the United States sends naval vessels to patrol China-made "islands" or why Canada wants to build arctic ports: to make a claim to the "turf" that is involved.

I suspect that for the bands having the power and ability to decide is at least as important as harvesting moose. And given the history, I can certainly understand why they feel the need to do so.

Hopefully the biologists will work together behind the scenes.

Unless people accept that the bands have both sovereignity AND the rights of US citizenship things will not get better.

Posted on: 9/10 10:48:34
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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Well said LOW1........we shall see what happens in time!!!c63

Posted on: 9/10 18:02:49
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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Unfortunately it cannot ever be just about the moose (or the walleye, whatever.) What has happened in the past has caused this to become a fight over sovereignity. Its the same reason why the United States sends naval vessels to patrol China-made "islands" or why Canada wants to build arctic ports: to make a claim to the "turf" that is involved.

I suspect that for the bands having the power and ability to decide is at least as important as harvesting moose. And given the history, I can certainly understand why they feel the need to do so.

Hopefully the biologists will work together behind the scenes.

Unless people accept that the bands have both sovereignity AND the rights of US citizenship things will not get better.


That's fine. But I for one hate the Half Measures.

If the Bands want to maintain that sovereignty, then do so at their detriment as well as their advantage.

Pay for their own up keep on the infrastructure to and from their casinos.

Immigration and Customs at every Res, casino or not.

If the Bands want to live a separate sovereign life, then do so.

Posted on: 9/10 18:44:32
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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LOW1 wrote:
Unfortunately it cannot ever be just about the moose (or the walleye, whatever.) What has happened in the past has caused this to become a fight over sovereignity. Its the same reason why the United States sends naval vessels to patrol China-made "islands" or why Canada wants to build arctic ports: to make a claim to the "turf" that is involved.

I suspect that for the bands having the power and ability to decide is at least as important as harvesting moose. And given the history, I can certainly understand why they feel the need to do so.

Hopefully the biologists will work together behind the scenes.

Unless people accept that the bands have both sovereignity AND the rights of US citizenship things will not get better.


That's fine. But I for one hate the Half Measures.

If the Bands want to maintain that sovereignty, then do so at their detriment as well as their advantage.

Pay for their own up keep on the infrastructure to and from their casinos.

Immigration and Customs at every Res, casino or not.

If the Bands want to live a separate sovereign life, then do so.


I vote this idea. Nothing would make my day fishing Mille lacs, leech, Winnie, vermillion, others lakes on resses , then going thru customs, having my boat inspected, dealing with immigration...and you thought the AIS inspections took time.

Also,Taking my boat up 169 around Mille lacs on an unkept gravel hwy would be the bees knees as well.

I think you're on to something...

Posted on: 9/10 20:09:26
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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pulleye16 wrote:
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Bandersnatch wrote:
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LOW1 wrote:
Unfortunately it cannot ever be just about the moose (or the walleye, whatever.) What has happened in the past has caused this to become a fight over sovereignity. Its the same reason why the United States sends naval vessels to patrol China-made "islands" or why Canada wants to build arctic ports: to make a claim to the "turf" that is involved.

I suspect that for the bands having the power and ability to decide is at least as important as harvesting moose. And given the history, I can certainly understand why they feel the need to do so.

Hopefully the biologists will work together behind the scenes.

Unless people accept that the bands have both sovereignity AND the rights of US citizenship things will not get better.


That's fine. But I for one hate the Half Measures.

If the Bands want to maintain that sovereignty, then do so at their detriment as well as their advantage.

Pay for their own up keep on the infrastructure to and from their casinos.

Immigration and Customs at every Res, casino or not.

If the Bands want to live a separate sovereign life, then do so.


I vote this idea. Nothing would make my day fishing Mille lacs, leech, Winnie, vermillion, others lakes on resses , then going thru customs, having my boat inspected, dealing with immigration...and you thought the AIS inspections took time.

Also,Taking my boat up 169 around Mille lacs on an unkept gravel hwy would be the bees knees as well.

I think you're on to something...



.... hand out.... embrace whatever side is always in their favor..... no not those protectors of Mother Earth

Posted on: 9/10 20:38:08
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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Too bad "we"don't confront what initially "happened"to the natives originally in this country.No wonder they don't "care"about a moose or a walleye!Or at least try to get "us"upset about the whole fiasco!!!!Just think if someone came up to you and said,you can't stay here anymore you WILL live here now.Oh yea by the way you WILL teach your children this now.(English and customs)because your ways are savage.If you don't comply we will make an example of you and your family by killing you!These are just a snippet of what went on!!!!c63


Ridiculous comment at Best!

Hey Chris63, when was the last time you were told where to live and what language you had to speak. Why dont you move forward like 150-200 years and join the USA. Come on in the waters fine!
I'm just pointing out SOME obvious reasons for why the cultures can't seem to see eye to eye on ANY of these issues.Do you really think that trying to understand or at least acknowledge the past histories of America is rediculous then God help us all!c63


Don't put words into my comment that are not there. Your statement said nothing about cultures of the past and I'm sorry but the past is the past. The culture of the indians of the past is not even close to what it is in todays world.

Culture Merriam Webster: the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group; also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (such as diversions or a way of life) shared by people in a place or time.

Hey Chris63 have you spent any amount of time to witness "todays" culture on the reservations?

Posted on: 9/11 6:39:29
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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I know your hung up on certain words that seem to irritate you.Im not trying to put comments or words in any ones post.If you want to substitute people or customs for culture that is fine.When it comes to hunting/fishing and gathering all "cultures"do some things the same identical way.Imagine that!c63

Posted on: 9/11 19:11:41
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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I know your hung up on certain words that seem to irritate you.Im not trying to put comments or words in any ones post.If you want to substitute people or customs for culture that is fine.When it comes to hunting/fishing and gathering all "cultures"do some things the same identical way.Imagine that!c63


Not hung up or irritated at all. It all boils down to equality for all. Which means we all "pay" we all "play". Special rights for special people, doesnt matter which group of people, is what is ripping this country apart. IMHO

Posted on: 9/12 9:22:29
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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Good luck with equality!c63

Posted on: 9/12 9:36:39
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