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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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The US got millions of acres of land, worth billions if not trillions. In exchange for letting them gillnet a few Walleye and shoot a couple Moose. Pretty easy to see who got the better deal.

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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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The US got millions of acres of land, worth billions if not trillions. In exchange for letting them gillnet a few Walleye and shoot a couple Moose. Pretty easy to see who got the better deal.


Few huh? Learn to count.

Posted on: 9/12 22:18:32
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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I can't help but laugh at these threads!! Walleyes... Nets... Moose... Treaties... Who got what and what was better than who...

I think both sides need to go back and either re-read your history books or start stating sources for your info. Until then... These threads are no more than a pissing match. That said, if these remain status quo... I'll have a few more beers and challenge any one of you. Native or not! Or three...

It's all politics and money! Until the MN DNR, this state, and this country pulls it's head out of the liberal BS mud, grows a backbone... face it... ain't nothing going to happen!

Walleyes will continue to be netted. Moose will continue to be shot. And land in the territories will continue to lose value and be snapped up by the bands... Either just accept it...

OR DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

Just sayin'... I'm off to reload for the remainder of the pissing match.

Posted on: 9/12 22:26:45
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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AutumnFever wrote:
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otter wrote:
The US got millions of acres of land, worth billions if not trillions. In exchange for letting them gillnet a few Walleye and shoot a couple Moose. Pretty easy to see who got the better deal.


Few huh? Learn to count.


You know you have no leg to stand on when you start bickering over petty little things. What has a greater value 2+ million acres of land or 2 million lbs of walleyes and 1000 moose? Don't forget without the treaty Mille Lacs could have a similar reservation system as Lower Red.

Posted on: 9/12 23:07:33
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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AutumnFever wrote:
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otter wrote:
The US got millions of acres of land, worth billions if not trillions. In exchange for letting them gillnet a few Walleye and shoot a couple Moose. Pretty easy to see who got the better deal.


Few huh? Learn to count.


You know you have no leg to stand on when you start bickering over petty little things. What has a greater value 2+ million acres of land or 2 million lbs of walleyes and 1000 moose? Don't forget without the treaty Mille Lacs could have a similar reservation system as Lower Red.


Being the only minority to be able to own a casino isn't all bad I am sure.

Posted on: 9/13 5:58:14
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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How gracious of us to let them do what they want on their reservation. I'm sure they'd that up to get all the land back.

Posted on: 9/13 7:22:34
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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You know you have no leg to stand on when you start bickering over petty little things. What has a greater value 2+ million acres of land or 2 million lbs of walleyes and 1000 moose? Don't forget without the treaty Mille Lacs could have a similar reservation system as Lower Red.


That one is easy!

To the State and its Citizens the fish, fowl, and fur are the more valuable.

Why you ask?

Because that acreage is not taxable when under Band ownership.
It is a net loss for the State and it Citizens, who must still maintain access to that now Sovereign land that contributes nothing back to the State in Taxes.

Posted on: 9/13 9:10:55
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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otter wrote:
You know you have no leg to stand on when you start bickering over petty little things. What has a greater value 2+ million acres of land or 2 million lbs of walleyes and 1000 moose? Don't forget without the treaty Mille Lacs could have a similar reservation system as Lower Red.


That one is easy!

To the State and its Citizens the fish, fowl, and fur are the more valuable.

Why you ask?

Because that acreage is not taxable when under Band ownership.
It is a net loss for the State and it Citizens, who must still maintain access to that now Sovereign land that contributes nothing back to the State in Taxes.


"We" received 13 million acres of land under the treaty. This is not reservation land. Some of this is public land but much of it is private land on which cities, farms, homes and industries have been built. The treaty made this development possible. This development generates huge property and income tax revenues. Aren't these 13 million acres and the resulting taxes far more valuable than what the Bands received under the treaty?

Posted on: 9/13 9:53:36
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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That would depend on the productivity of that land, and its taxable value when compared to the Res lands, don't you think?

Before answering, remember, Minnesota is a special case. It is the only State that the casinos get a free ride. So that Dollar per Acre is going to be worth Way More that you may have envisioned initially.

Posted on: 9/13 9:59:15
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Re: Natives Allowed to hunt Moose again
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That would depend on the productivity of that land, and its taxable value when compared to the Res lands, don't you think?

Before answering, remember, Minnesota is a special case. It is the only State that the casinos get a free ride. So that Dollar per Acre is going to be worth Way More that you may have envisioned initially.


I agree that it would be an interesting calculation.

If there are enough zeros in my calculation, 13 million acres at $1000 per acre is $13 Billion. Then we would have to add the value of the houses, factories, etc. (We could probably get this from assessment records but I am not that ambitious)

If we assume that the improvements are equal in value to the land that would be $26 billion in real estate value. Plus all the income and income tax generated from this land and the resulting jobs over the years.

What's a casino worth? I don't know. A guess would be $50 Million or so but that's just a guess.

And we can't include the cost of social programs when calculating what the Bands received under the treaty, as they did not get citizenship under the treaty and instead did not get that until the 1920s.

Posted on: 9/13 10:20:08
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