POLL: Netting Discussion

[Anonymous]

BrianHoffies wrote:
My opinion is that no matter what the poll says you will treat it the same anyway. Much like politicians you will get the vote and do what you have always done.

The Mille Lacs threads are informative and do bring something to the table. However some folks have figured out that if the discussion isn’t going their way it’s easier to get it nuked then to actually have to defend their position.

I understand the mod position is difficult. It probably does get old babysitting. However, thats the job you signed up for. It’s really no different then the fireman who is pi$$ed when his clothes smell like smoke.

You need look no further then FM to find out what happens when a site gets overly moderated.

For the record, I didn’t vote for this poll either.

No malice is directed towards anybody or the site in particular, just voicing my opinion as the thread asked for. ” title=”” class=”bbcode_smiley” />

Nice try in trying to make the obscene, palatable.

[Science]

I hope the netting discussion stays. I also wish the netting topics would not get locked so quickly. It would make more sense to just delete the individual posts that are profane, name calling, or racist, instead of locking or deleting the whole thread. Anytime I am having a discussion here it gets locked before I am able to respond to questions or comments.

[Walleye-Student]

^^ I agree…even though we don’t always agree!

[JJ]

This is just an informal poll. It has no bearing on the future. There are no current discussions on prohibiting netting discussion. This is purely my personal inquisitive nature, about the overall tone of the members. Don’t read too much into it.

I do enjoy how sanctimonious some members are about justifying their behavior, and the behavior of those on “their side”. For the record, the anti-netting side of this discussion is exponentially more likely to violate the rules. I recall very few posters that were “pro-netting” that have stepped out of bounds. On the anti side there is very real vitriol and hate the has been eschewed on a regular basis, and it saddens me, because few are willing to call those folks out. Thankfully we have reached a fairly comfortable balance of opinions after many years of intense moderation.

As for deleting individual posts. We cannot be on the site 24/7, and few of us enjoy having to read every post looking for violations. It is far easier to just lock a thread, because for every thread we lock, another will take its place. Leaving some record available (though locked) and searchable is important for documentation of whom said what, and when. Many members posting histories speak for themselves. Also, by isolating and deleting individual posts we seem to be criticized much more often, as people do not get to see all the good dirt we remove.

My biggest personal peeve, is seeing 2, 3, 4 posts of the latest article/report/complaint/etc popping up. I wish users would spend a little time looking to see if their latest bit is actually something new or not. After that, is the location of posts. We have made it very clear that all netting discussion is to stay in the General Discusssion forum. Inevitably, both new and seasoned users hijack legitate reports/discussion in the Mille Lacs forum, crapping all over other people’s threads. While we understand people are passionate about the topic, it is horribly disrespectful to hijack legitimate topics and reports. It also takes an inordinate amount of time to split/move/merge these peoples threads to keep them on track.

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[fishnpole]

Science wrote:
I hope the netting discussion stays. I also wish the netting topics would not get locked so quickly. It would make more sense to just delete the individual posts that are profane, name calling, or racist, instead of locking or deleting the whole thread. Anytime I am having a discussion here it gets locked before I am able to respond to questions or comments.

The two groups of users (pro and con)on this website that post on this subject are so polarized that there can be no room for discussion.
I say we let them net every single walleye out of every single lake they can and when there are no more walleye, I want to see them try to blame the extinction on the greedy anglers, who haven’t been able to have a fresh, home-cooked walleye dinner in years, because of the regulations that follow on the netted lakes.

[Anonymous]

fishnpole wrote:

I want to see them try to blame the extinction on the greedy anglers

I will say, your rants are second to none and are eye opening.

And as for greed, non-tribal anglers, the number one reason preventing over harvest/poaching is the law against over harvest.

Make no mistake. There is gluttony in all walks of life.

[Walleye-Student]

fishnpole wrote:
The two groups of users (pro and con)on this website that post on this subject are so polarized that there can be no room for discussion.
I say we let them net every single walleye out of every single lake they can and when there are no more walleye, I want to see them try to blame the extinction on the greedy anglers, who haven’t been able to have a fresh, home-cooked walleye dinner in years, because of the regulations that follow on the netted lakes.

Well based on your post here there’s no doubt which side you are polarized. I’m not sure all of us are that divided however you’re most likely correct that there would be little if any objective discussion on this forum. I have and always will strongly oppose the spring time netting practice, however I will not pick up the torch and follow the “collective” of hatred. Joe Fellegy has written about this for years that the primary source is the power grab up at the top of the GLIWC hierarchy and that is carried out by a minority of treaty rights activists. This does not represent the objective of all tribal members any more than the racial bashing by some that is posted on this forum represent the attitude of all of us. I for the most part have agreed with your post’s and respect your research, experience and expertise in reporting Mille Lacs happenings. Your post here is cynical and surprizing in that I believe you work for or represent a Mille Lacs business. I would hope this is not the message you offer to guests or potential customers who are not wrapped up in the quagmire that hangs over the Mille lacs community. I will continue to promote the positive experiences that Mille Lacs area offers.

[BrianHoffies]

It’s not a racial issue like a lot of people would like it to be. It’s a combination of netting during the spawn which would be vigorously opposed even if it was Anglo Americans doing the netting. Secondly it’s the mismanagement of the lake by those entrusted with it’s well being. If the U.S. Fish & Wildlife was in charge they would be facing the same scrutiny as the DNR is.

The common enemies of Mille Lacs are GLIFWC & the DNR.

[nordeaster]

BrianHoffies wrote:
It’s not a racial issue like a lot of people would like it to be. It’s a combination of netting during the spawn which would be vigorously opposed even if it was Anglo Americans doing the netting. Secondly it’s the mismanagement of the lake by those entrusted with it’s well being. If the U.S. Fish & Wildlife was in charge they would be facing the same scrutiny as the DNR is.

The common enemies of Mille Lacs are GLIFWC & the DNR.

I would say the enemy is our Fed gov, the above two are puppets on the string.

[fishnpole]

Walleye-Student wrote:

fishnpole wrote:
The two groups of users (pro and con)on this website that post on this subject are so polarized that there can be no room for discussion.
I say we let them net every single walleye out of every single lake they can and when there are no more walleye, I want to see them try to blame the extinction on the greedy anglers, who haven’t been able to have a fresh, home-cooked walleye dinner in years, because of the regulations that follow on the netted lakes.

Well based on your post here there’s no doubt which side you are polarized. I’m not sure all of us are that divided however you’re most likely correct that there would be little if any objective discussion on this forum. I have and always will strongly oppose the spring time netting practice, however I will not pick up the torch and follow the “collective” of hatred. Joe Fellegy has written about this for years that the primary source is the power grab up at the top of the GLIWC hierarchy and that is carried out by a minority of treaty rights activists. This does not represent the objective of all tribal members any more than the racial bashing by some that is posted on this forum represent the attitude of all of us. I for the most part have agreed with your post’s and respect your research, experience and expertise in reporting Mille Lacs happenings. Your post here is cynical and surprizing in that I believe you work for or represent a Mille Lacs business. I would hope this is not the message you offer to guests or potential customers who are not wrapped up in the quagmire that hangs over the Mille lacs community. I will continue to promote the positive experiences that Mille Lacs area offers.

W.S., you know I’m just being purposely obtuse, like a lot of the pro-netters with their excuses, blaming anglers and wait-and-see attitude.
I’ve been part of these discussions for the last 10 years and have heard them reach their illogical conclusions to their questionable statistics for too long.
The alternative to being pro-active is to just sit and watch the lake you love get destroyed by practicing politics instead of intelligent conservation………………..

[fishnpole]

Walleye-Student wrote:

fishnpole wrote:
The two groups of users (pro and con)on this website that post on this subject are so polarized that there can be no room for discussion.
I say we let them net every single walleye out of every single lake they can and when there are no more walleye, I want to see them try to blame the extinction on the greedy anglers, who haven’t been able to have a fresh, home-cooked walleye dinner in years, because of the regulations that follow on the netted lakes.

Well based on your post here there’s no doubt which side you are polarized. I’m not sure all of us are that divided however you’re most likely correct that there would be little if any objective discussion on this forum. I have and always will strongly oppose the spring time netting practice, however I will not pick up the torch and follow the “collective” of hatred. Joe Fellegy has written about this for years that the primary source is the power grab up at the top of the GLIWC hierarchy and that is carried out by a minority of treaty rights activists. This does not represent the objective of all tribal members any more than the racial bashing by some that is posted on this forum represent the attitude of all of us. I for the most part have agreed with your post’s and respect your research, experience and expertise in reporting Mille Lacs happenings. Your post here is cynical and surprizing in that I believe you work for or represent a Mille Lacs business. I would hope this is not the message you offer to guests or potential customers who are not wrapped up in the quagmire that hangs over the Mille lacs community. I will continue to promote the positive experiences that Mille Lacs area offers.

W.S., you know I’m just being purposely obtuse, like a lot of the pro-netters with their excuses, blaming anglers and wait-and-see attitude.
I’ve been part of these discussions for the last 10 years and have heard them reach their illogical conclusions to their questionable statistics for too long.
The alternative to being pro-active is to just sit and watch the lake you love get destroyed by practicing politics instead of intelligent conservation………………..

[GPowers]

I thought the lake was full of healthy small fish?

[fishnpole]

While a couple of late ice-outs have produced 2 promising up-coming year classes of walleyes, Mille Lacs Lake is FAR from healthy.
Remember that management of the fishery had nothing to do with this phenomenon.

Mother Nature closed the spawning season those years.

[GPowers]

fishnpole wrote:
While a couple of late ice-outs have produced 2 promising up-coming year classes of walleyes, Mille Lacs Lake is FAR from healthy.
Remember that management of the fishery had nothing to do with this phenomenon.

Mother Nature closed the spawning season those years.

So it’s a cycle is what you are saying……….

[fishnpole]

Currently, that is what is happening. We are seeing more smaller fish than bigger fish. Two years ago all we were seeing were bigger fish. The lake needs to find it’s balance of young to older fish. The forage base is presently improving and we’re seeing more perch, tulibee and eelpout, along with other baitfishes.
If the 2013/2014 year classes aren’t put in check, they will deplete the forage base by the time they reach maturity (in two years) and food will again become scarce for their sized fish.
By protecting the fish smaller than 18″, the Tribal Management is going to again create an imbalance to fish bigger than 20″.
By continuing with their current slot year-class targeting, they will perpetuate an imbalance that is worse for the lake’s overall walleye population than netting unspawned fish…………………

A cycle, yes, but not a cycle toward a healthier overall walleye population from what I’m seeing daily on the lake.

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