mille lac to close sept 6

[snow]

The sad part is folks fishing walleye this summer just couldn’t keep their mouth shut about the fishing,did’nt even have to ask they would start spouting off about 30,40 50 walleyes per day per person around the lake and outdoor websites like LSF,what you caught is no business of the creel folks,and we’re the ones that get hurt in the end not the tribe,they had kill quotas,who knows what they really took,in the end it falls on us tax payer non natives.

[otter]

For those wondering about hooking mortality look at South Carolina who closes the striped bass season during the summer months. Research in Florida found hooking mortality was responsible for a quarter of all mortality in Largemouth Bass. Hooking mortality especially for live bait caught walleye can be high. Especially when we’ve had a very warm summer like we have.

[Science]

snow wrote:
quote by leechlaker:

“Next on the docket should be moving the possession limit to 3 fish, and either removing or really rethinking the slot limit to avoid skewing the size structure towards big fish. I assume everyone here is aware of the research that shows that the primary predators of young walleye are large walleye and pike (in that order”

We know the primary predators of mille lacs leech…Its the gill netters,pull the nets and look what happens,2 banner year walleyes.

In these days and age do the natives need to hunt fish and gather when they’re busting at the seems with federal funds and casino monies? Hell No!

It baffels me why we non natives that generate over 100million $ each year paying taxes and license buying and then we are regulated just so the tribes can continue to pilage mille lacs each spring,way past due to cut the cord,no more federal monies and might as well setup toll booths at the casino’s enterance as well.And now the state wants to build a fishery and start stocking the lake while the natives sit back and wait for us to fix the problem just like red lake! BS.

If you believe the primary predators are the nets, then what do you think about the hook and line, state anglers who have consistently harvested several times more walleyes per year? I know, it is not the walleyes that you kill that is the problem, it is the walleyes that someone else kills. Pretty backwards logic, but exactly what I expect from a few individuals here.

[Science]

Bandersnatch wrote:

leechlaker wrote:

Science wrote:
It is good that they have decided to shut the lake down even if it was a little late. I hope in the future both sides stick to their quota.

Good to see one sensible comment in here, anyway. I am no fan of Dayton, but he did the right thing here. There are a couple of really strong year classes in Mille Lacs…keep the pressure off them, let them grow and create more walleyes. Nothing wrong with this at all.

Next on the docket should be moving the possession limit to 3 fish, and either removing or really rethinking the slot limit to avoid skewing the size structure towards big fish. I assume everyone here is aware of the research that shows that the primary predators of young walleye are large walleye and pike (in that order).

Three fish with one over 20″ or something would be a sensible path, IMO.

1) He only posted that to stir the pot.

2) How do you correlate your wished for Slot with your Post? If the year classes need pressure taken off of them, and the larger Walleye are what really DO put that pressure on, then common sense would dictate that if there is going to be ANY SLOT at all, the slot should be do reduce the Larger Walleye to slow the predation.

3 fish, all over 24″ or you can make bank that we will be in the very same pickle in a couple of years.

JMO

I posted that to share my honest beliefs on this matter. I think it is very important to adhere to the agreement that we made with the tribal fishermen.

[WalleyeChaser]

Is there statistics on what percent of walleyes die after being hooked in the mouth? In my personal experience releasing a walleye hooked in the mouth…they swim off awfully strong. I can see the warm water and the fight of the catch causing a higher rate, but the numbers seem to not make sense. I could be wrong too, just wondering

[TightLine]

“I posted that to share my honest beliefs on this matter. I think it is very important to adhere to the agreement that we made with the tribal fishermen.”-Science

I totally agree. If you make an agreement then you have to abide by the agreement. I had a huge problem with goofy continuing the season after the allotment for hooking mortality. Not because of the business, tribes, etc., but because he agreed to close it then.

Brandon Zumwalt
Attorney, Dad and Fisherman-sometimes all at the same time.

[fishnpole]

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[snow]

All lakes have remained healthy in my life time hook-n-line fishing (walleyes) gill netting by 8 tribes started this fiasco in 1999 as the netting did on URL,cass,winni and commercial netting on LOW.Get over your special rights science and be part of the solution.

[Shackrat]

I completely agree that it needed to be honored. I can only imagine what would happen if the tribal fishermen didn’t live up to their end of the agreement.

[chris63]

If netting is the ONLY cause of the this problem then explain why the Big lake was coined “the dead sea”by an outdoor writer in the ’70’s?There are and will always be other factors that affect the biomass of the waters in the great state of minnesota!To be sure the netting of fish is ONE cause of this cycle were in now.These issues are very complex and mother nature has and always will have the final say in these matters.Im glad the fishery is looking better than just a few years ago.We are heading in the right direction.I don’t think a 3 limit fish (walleyes)is going to happen any time soon either.Our elected officials are being pushed and pulled around like the pupets they are and i don’t see that changing any time soon either.The bands are contiuing their money grab(remember money=power=political leverage)so in the near future don’t expect a big change in the way the government “deals” with the tribes.c63

[leechlaker]

snow wrote:We know the primary predators of mille lacs leech…Its the gill netters,pull the nets and look what happens,2 banner year walleyes.

In these days and age do the natives need to hunt fish and gather when they’re busting at the seems with federal funds and casino monies? Hell No!

It baffels me why we non natives that generate over 100million $ each year paying taxes and license buying and then we are regulated just so the tribes can continue to pilage mille lacs each spring,way past due to cut the cord,no more federal monies and might as well setup toll booths at the casino’s enterance as well.And now the state wants to build a fishery and start stocking the lake while the natives sit back and wait for us to fix the problem just like red lake! BS.

It takes a special kind of tenacity to maintain that level of ignorance in the face of all the data that is available.

[lindyman]

I just laugh at the fact eight tribe are concerned, yeah right when a few years back they were dumping walleyes on the ground to rot.

[Doberfishman]

snow wrote:
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It baffels me why we non natives that generate over 100million $ each year paying taxes and license buying and then we are regulated just so the tribes can continue to pilage mille lacs each spring,way past due to cut the cord,no more federal monies and might as well setup toll booths at the casino’s enterance as well.And now the state wants to build a fishery and start stocking the lake while the natives sit back and wait for us to fix the problem just like red lake! BS.

I could not agree more. If the Indians (they are no more native than I am so I’m not calling them natives) want to live a life where they get to live by their own rules and regulations, then a wall/fence needs to be built around their reservations, border crossing stations need to be set up, they need to get passports to enter the US, they lose all rights/privileges US citizens have, no more money dumped in their laps, etc.

And if netting during the spawn isn’t doing harm to the walleye population, then there is no reason for the DNR to ever close the season.

As for the DNR’s numbers on what has been caught by anglers, they just reported that the wolf population is now at 2278 wolves. Seriously? Not 2200 or 2300 but 2278. There’s no way they can prove that number that accurately or the number of pounds of fish anglers caught let alone the pounds of fish the Indians kept because no one keeps accurate track of the Indians. Got to love self regulation.

They must have one hell of a magic 8 ball or they are smoking an 8 ball to predict their numbers.

Fishing relaxes me. It's like yoga, except I still get to kill something - Ron Swanson

[fishnpole]

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[Bandersnatch]

fishnpole wrote:
Treaty management does NOT work. The walleye population continues to be the political pawn in a perpetual war between the tribes and Minnesota citizens, with science having little or no bearing on ANY management decisions being made.

That’s the BIGGEST problem with Mille Lacs!

Now, guys, there are hundreds of these threads in the archives. All you have to do is look back and see all the locks and you’ll see that EVERY argument has already been raised on both sides. So save the effort of rebuttal. I’m not changing my viewpoint and you’re not changing yours. That’s why this topic is beaten to death, with no positive outcome.

Closed minds don’t change.

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